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		<title>By: Kingdom Engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingdom Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 23:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lauren... thx for your comments.  And sure, link away!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lauren&#8230; thx for your comments.  And sure, link away!</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Branning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Branning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, was curious if you would allow me to link to it in a post im currently typing for my own website? Thanks Lauren Branning</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, was curious if you would allow me to link to it in a post im currently typing for my own website? Thanks Lauren Branning</p>
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		<title>By: Kingdom Engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingdom Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, there is way too much evidence that a Pre-Trib Rapture exists.  Pay particular attention to Luke, Ch 21, especially to vs 36.  It&#039;s not a hill worth dying on, but I would say to just always be ready!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, there is way too much evidence that a Pre-Trib Rapture exists.  Pay particular attention to Luke, Ch 21, especially to vs 36.  It&#8217;s not a hill worth dying on, but I would say to just always be ready!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MacPherson, to my knowledge, has never referred to himself as a preterist. But he has found a mountain of long forgotten (or covered up) historical facts that leading scholars have endorsed (Google &quot;Scholars Weigh My Research&quot;). For some much needed light (for you) on those who unfortunately have influenced you, read &quot;Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty&quot; on the &quot;Powered by Christ Ministries&quot; site.       Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MacPherson, to my knowledge, has never referred to himself as a preterist. But he has found a mountain of long forgotten (or covered up) historical facts that leading scholars have endorsed (Google &#8220;Scholars Weigh My Research&#8221;). For some much needed light (for you) on those who unfortunately have influenced you, read &#8220;Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty&#8221; on the &#8220;Powered by Christ Ministries&#8221; site.       Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Kingdom Engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingdom Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 05:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you... however, I cannot take credit for it.  As mentioned, I received this awesome insight from Brother David... I only dressed it up a little bit. If you want to really get fed... track with his blog at &lt;a href=&quot;http://christianitynotchurchianity.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christianity Not Churchianity&lt;/a&gt;!  But feel free to stop back by, post comments, and refer your friends, etc.

Thx
In His Mighty Grip!
Randall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you&#8230; however, I cannot take credit for it.  As mentioned, I received this awesome insight from Brother David&#8230; I only dressed it up a little bit. If you want to really get fed&#8230; track with his blog at <a href="http://christianitynotchurchianity.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Christianity Not Churchianity</a>!  But feel free to stop back by, post comments, and refer your friends, etc.</p>
<p>Thx<br />
In His Mighty Grip!<br />
Randall</p>
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		<title>By: How I Was Able to Lose Thirty Póunds in Thirty Days</title>
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		<dc:creator>How I Was Able to Lose Thirty Póunds in Thirty Days</dc:creator>
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		<description>Hi, cool post. I have been pondering this topic,so thanks for blogging. I will probably be subscribing to your posts. Keep up great writing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, cool post. I have been pondering this topic,so thanks for blogging. I will probably be subscribing to your posts. Keep up great writing</p>
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		<title>By: Kingdom Engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingdom Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Paul... I appreciate you stopping by and submitting your (well, David MacPhearson&#039;s research) comments.  This leads me to believe that you&#039;re following the words of men and not truly searching the scriptures yourself?  David MacPhearson offers nothing when it comes to Eschatology as he spends his time trying to sell books and praise man&#039;s opinion while trying to discredit and nullify what the Holy Spirit is plainly teaching us!  Let the Holy Spirit be your councilor from God&#039;s word itself... NOT the opinion of man!

Furthermore, regarding Dave&#039;s research/comments... you must also consider the source and its perspective. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=37&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David MacPhearson&lt;/a&gt; is that of a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Preterist&lt;/a&gt; theological viewpoint.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Matt 24:4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, &lt;strong&gt;Take heed that no man deceive you&lt;/strong&gt;. (KJV)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Luke 21:8  And he said, &lt;strong&gt;Take heed that ye be not deceived&lt;/strong&gt;: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. (KJV)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Eph 5:6  &lt;strong&gt;Let no man deceive you&lt;/strong&gt; with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And this quote in particular involves the escape... &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://kingdomengineers.com/rapture/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rapture&lt;/a&gt;&quot;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;2 Thes 2:3  &lt;strong&gt;Let no man deceive you by any means&lt;/strong&gt;: for &lt;a href=&quot;http://kingdomengineers.com/rapture/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that day&lt;/a&gt; shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;The Wycliff New Testament interprets 2 Thes 2:3 it this way:&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;3 [That] No man deceive you in any manner. For but &lt;strong&gt;dissension come first&lt;/strong&gt; [For no but departing away, or dissension, shall come first], and the man of sin be showed, the son of perdition,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The use of the word dissension here in the Greek form also means to &lt;strong&gt;depart, desert, or even vanish...&lt;/strong&gt; that&#039;s why this verse is particularly encouraging &lt;strong&gt;to all who &quot;believe&quot;, watching and praying&lt;/strong&gt; to be counted worthy to escape. (Lk 21:36).

I encourage you to read the &quot;Rapture&quot; link I provided above and pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to you... don&#039;t merely rely on what other men say without first backing it up with scripture for yourself.  Jesus and Paul both warned of listening to man!

In His Mighty Grip!
Randall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Paul&#8230; I appreciate you stopping by and submitting your (well, David MacPhearson&#8217;s research) comments.  This leads me to believe that you&#8217;re following the words of men and not truly searching the scriptures yourself?  David MacPhearson offers nothing when it comes to Eschatology as he spends his time trying to sell books and praise man&#8217;s opinion while trying to discredit and nullify what the Holy Spirit is plainly teaching us!  Let the Holy Spirit be your councilor from God&#8217;s word itself&#8230; NOT the opinion of man!</p>
<p>Furthermore, regarding Dave&#8217;s research/comments&#8230; you must also consider the source and its perspective. <a href="http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=37" rel="nofollow">David MacPhearson</a> is that of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism" rel="nofollow">Preterist</a> theological viewpoint.</p>
<blockquote><p>Matt 24:4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, <strong>Take heed that no man deceive you</strong>. (KJV)</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Luke 21:8  And he said, <strong>Take heed that ye be not deceived</strong>: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. (KJV)</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Eph 5:6  <strong>Let no man deceive you</strong> with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.</p></blockquote>
<p>And this quote in particular involves the escape&#8230; &#8220;<a href="http://kingdomengineers.com/rapture/" rel="nofollow">Rapture</a>&#8220;:</p>
<blockquote><p>2 Thes 2:3  <strong>Let no man deceive you by any means</strong>: for <a href="http://kingdomengineers.com/rapture/" rel="nofollow">that day</a> shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>The Wycliff New Testament interprets 2 Thes 2:3 it this way:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>3 [That] No man deceive you in any manner. For but <strong>dissension come first</strong> [For no but departing away, or dissension, shall come first], and the man of sin be showed, the son of perdition,</p></blockquote>
<p>The use of the word dissension here in the Greek form also means to <strong>depart, desert, or even vanish&#8230;</strong> that&#8217;s why this verse is particularly encouraging <strong>to all who &#8220;believe&#8221;, watching and praying</strong> to be counted worthy to escape. (Lk 21:36).</p>
<p>I encourage you to read the &#8220;Rapture&#8221; link I provided above and pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to you&#8230; don&#8217;t merely rely on what other men say without first backing it up with scripture for yourself.  Jesus and Paul both warned of listening to man!</p>
<p>In His Mighty Grip!<br />
Randall</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Famous Rapture Watchers - Addendum
by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=37&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dave MacPherson&lt;/a&gt;


(The statements in my &quot;Famous Rapture Watchers&quot; web article appeared in my 1983 book &quot;The Great Rapture Hoax&quot; and quoted only past leaders. Here are the other leaders who were quoted in that original printing.)

     Oswald J. Smith: &quot;...I am absolutely convinced that there will be no rapture before the Tribulation, but that the Church will undoubtedly be called upon to face the Antichrist...&quot; (Tribulation or Rapture - Which?, p. 2).

     Paul B. Smith: &quot;You are perfectly free to quote me as believing rather emphatically in the post-tribulation teaching of the Bible&quot; (letter dated June 9, 1976).

     S. I. McMillen: &quot;...Christians will suffer in the Great Tribulation&quot; (Discern These Times, p. 55).

     Norman F. Douty: &quot;...all of the evidence of history runs one way - in favor of Post-tribulationism&quot; (Has Christ&#039;s Return Two Stages?, p. 113).

     Leonard Ravenhill: &quot;There is a cowardly Christianity which...still comforts its fainting heart with the hope that there will be a rapture - perhaps today - to catch us away from coming tribulation&quot; (Sodom Had No Bible, p. 94).

     William Hendriksen: &quot;...the one and only second coming of Christ to judgment&quot; (Israel in Prophecy, p. 29).

     Loraine Boettner: &quot;Hence we conclude that nowhere in Scripture does it teach a secret or pre-tribulation Rapture&quot; (The Millennium, p. 168).

     J. Sidlow Baxter: &quot;...believers of the last days (there is only one small part of the total Church on earth at any given moment) will be on earth during the so-called &#039;Great Tribulation&#039; &quot; (Explore the Book, Vol. 6, p. 345).

     Merrill C. Tenney: &quot;There is no convincing reason why the seer&#039;s being &#039;in the Spirit&#039; and being called into heaven [Revelation 4:1-2] typifies the rapture of the church...&quot; (Interpreting Revelation, p. 141).

     James R. Graham: &quot;...there is not a line of the N.T. that declares a pre-tribulation rapture, so its advocates are compelled to read it into certain indeterminate texts...&quot; (Watchman, What of the Night?, p. 79).

     Ralph Earle: &quot;The teaching of a pre-tribulation rapture seems first to have been emphasized widely about 100 years ago by John Darby of the Plymouth Brethren&quot; (Behold, I Come, p. 74).

     Clarence B. Bass: &quot;...I most strongly believe dispensationalism to be a departure from the historic faith...&quot; (Backgrounds to Dispensationalism, p. 155).

     William C. Thomas: &quot;The return of Jesus Christ, described by parousia, revelation, and epiphany, is one single, glorious, triumphant event for which we all wait with great eagerness!&quot; (The Blessed Hope in the Thessalonian Epistles of Paul, p. 42).

     Harold J. Ockenga: &quot;No exegetical justification exists for the arbitrary separation of the &#039;coming of Christ&#039; and the &#039;day of the Lord.&#039; It is one &#039;day of the Lord Jesus Christ&#039; &quot; (Christian Life, February, 1955).

     Duane Edward Spencer: &quot;Paul makes it very clear that the Church will pass through the Great Tribulation&quot; (&quot;Rapture-Tribulation&quot; cassette).

     J. C. Maris: &quot;Nowhere the Bible teaches that the Church of Jesus Christ is heading for world dominion. On the contrary - there will be no place for her, save in &#039;the wilderness,&#039; where God will take care of her (Rev. 12:13-17)&quot; (I.C.C.C. leaflet &quot;The Danger of the Ecumenical Movement,&quot; p. 2).

     F. F. Bruce: &quot;To meet the Lord [I Thessalonians 4:17]...on the final stage of...[Christ&#039;s] journey...to the earth...&quot; (New Bible Commentary: Revised, p. 1159).

     G. Christian Weiss: &quot;Some people say that this [&#039;gospel of the kingdom&#039; in Matthew 24:14] is not the gospel of grace but is a special aspect of the gospel to be preached some time in the future. But there is nothing in the context to indicate this&quot; (&quot;Back to the Bible&quot; broadcast, February 9, 1976).

     Pat Brooks: &quot;Soon we, in the Body of Christ, will be confronted by millions of people disillusioned by such false teaching [Pre-Tribism]&quot; (Hear, O Israel, p. 186).

     Herman Hoeksema: &quot;...the time of Antichrist, when days so terrible are still to arrive for the church...&quot; (Behold, He Cometh!, p. 131).

     Ray Summers: &quot;Because they [Philadelphia] have been faithful, he promises his sustaining grace in the tribulation...&quot; (Worthy Is the Lamb, p. 123).

     George E. Ladd: &quot;[Pretribulationism] may be guilty of the positive danger of leaving the Church unprepared for tribulation when Antichrist appears...&quot; (The Blessed Hope, p. 164).

     Peter Beyerhaus: &quot;The Christian Church on earth [will face] the final, almost superhuman test of being confronted with the apocalyptical temptation by Antichrist&quot; (Christianity Today, April 13, 1973).

     Leon Morris: &quot;The early Christians...looked for the Christ to come as Judge&quot; (Apocalyptic, p. 84).

     Dale Moody: &quot;There is not a passage in the New Testament to support Scofield. The call to John to &#039;come up hither&#039; has reference to mystical ecstasy, not to a pretribulation rapture&quot; (Spirit of the Living God, p. 203).

     John R. W. Stott: &quot;He would not spare them from the suffering [Revelation 3:10]; but He would uphold them in it&quot; (What Christ Thinks of the Church, p. 104).

     G. R. Beasley-Murray: &quot;...the woman, i.e., the Church...flees for refuge into the wilderness [Revelation 12:14]...&quot; (The New Bible Commentary, p. 1184).

     Bernard L. Ramm: &quot;...as the Church moves to meet her Lord at the parousia world history is also moving to meet its Judge at the same parousia&quot; (Leo Eddleman&#039;s Last Things, p. 41).

     J. Barton Payne: &quot;...the twentieth century has indeed witnessed a progressively rising revolt against pre-tribulationism&quot; (The Imminent Appearing of Christ, p. 38).

     Robert H. Gundry: &quot;Divine wrath does not blanket the entire seventieth week...but concentrates at the close&quot; (The Church and the Tribulation, p. 63).

     C. S. Lovett: &quot;Frankly I favor a post-trib rapture...I no longer teach Christians that they will NOT have to go through the tribulation&quot; (PC, January, 1974).

     Walter R. Martin: &quot;Walter Martin finally said...&#039;Yes, I&#039;m a post-trib&#039; &quot; (Lovett&#039;s PC, December, 1976).

     Jay Adams: &quot;Today&#039;s trend is...from pre- to post-tribulationism&quot; (The Time Is at Hand, p. 2).

     Jim McKeever: &quot;Nowhere do the Scriptures say that the Rapture will precede the Tribulation&quot; (Christians Will Go Through the Tribulation, p. 55).

     Arthur Katz: &quot;I think it fair to tell you that I do not subscribe to the happy and convenient theology which says that God&#039;s people are going to be raptured and lifted up when a time of tribulation and trial comes&quot; (Reality, p. 8).

     Billy Graham: &quot;Perhaps the Holy Spirit is getting His Church ready for a trial and tribulation such as the world has never known&quot; (Sam Shoemaker&#039;s Under New Management, p. 72).

     W. J. Grier: &quot;The Scofield Bible makes a rather desperate effort...it tries to get in the &#039;rapture&#039; of the saints before the appearing of Antichrist&quot; (The Momentous Event, p. 58).

     Pat Robertson: &quot;Jesus Christ is going to come back to earth again to deliver Israel and at the same time to rapture His Church; it&#039;s going to be one moment, but it&#039;s going to be a glorious time&quot; (&quot;700 Club&quot; telecast, May 14, 1975).

     Ben Kinchlow: &quot;Any wrath [during the Tribulation] that comes upon us - any difficulty - will not be induced by God, but it&#039;ll be like the people are saying, &#039;The cause of our problems are those Christians in our midst; we need to get rid of them&#039; &quot; (&quot;700 Club&quot; telecast, August 28, 1979).

     Daniel P. Fuller: &quot;It is thus concluded that Dispensationalism fails to pass the test of an adequate system of Biblical Interpretation&quot; (The Hermeneutics of Dispensationalism, p. 369).

     Corrie ten Boom: &quot;The Bible prophesies that the time will come when we cannot buy or sell, unless we bear the sign of the Antichrist...&quot; (Tramp for the Lord, p. 187).

[Recently ran across the above on the web. I am finding that many are changing from pretrib to something else. Interesting, eh?  Paul]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Famous Rapture Watchers &#8211; Addendum<br />
by <a href="http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=37" rel="nofollow">Dave MacPherson</a></p>
<p>(The statements in my &#8220;Famous Rapture Watchers&#8221; web article appeared in my 1983 book &#8220;The Great Rapture Hoax&#8221; and quoted only past leaders. Here are the other leaders who were quoted in that original printing.)</p>
<p>     Oswald J. Smith: &#8220;&#8230;I am absolutely convinced that there will be no rapture before the Tribulation, but that the Church will undoubtedly be called upon to face the Antichrist&#8230;&#8221; (Tribulation or Rapture &#8211; Which?, p. 2).</p>
<p>     Paul B. Smith: &#8220;You are perfectly free to quote me as believing rather emphatically in the post-tribulation teaching of the Bible&#8221; (letter dated June 9, 1976).</p>
<p>     S. I. McMillen: &#8220;&#8230;Christians will suffer in the Great Tribulation&#8221; (Discern These Times, p. 55).</p>
<p>     Norman F. Douty: &#8220;&#8230;all of the evidence of history runs one way &#8211; in favor of Post-tribulationism&#8221; (Has Christ&#8217;s Return Two Stages?, p. 113).</p>
<p>     Leonard Ravenhill: &#8220;There is a cowardly Christianity which&#8230;still comforts its fainting heart with the hope that there will be a rapture &#8211; perhaps today &#8211; to catch us away from coming tribulation&#8221; (Sodom Had No Bible, p. 94).</p>
<p>     William Hendriksen: &#8220;&#8230;the one and only second coming of Christ to judgment&#8221; (Israel in Prophecy, p. 29).</p>
<p>     Loraine Boettner: &#8220;Hence we conclude that nowhere in Scripture does it teach a secret or pre-tribulation Rapture&#8221; (The Millennium, p. 168).</p>
<p>     J. Sidlow Baxter: &#8220;&#8230;believers of the last days (there is only one small part of the total Church on earth at any given moment) will be on earth during the so-called &#8216;Great Tribulation&#8217; &#8221; (Explore the Book, Vol. 6, p. 345).</p>
<p>     Merrill C. Tenney: &#8220;There is no convincing reason why the seer&#8217;s being &#8216;in the Spirit&#8217; and being called into heaven [Revelation 4:1-2] typifies the rapture of the church&#8230;&#8221; (Interpreting Revelation, p. 141).</p>
<p>     James R. Graham: &#8220;&#8230;there is not a line of the N.T. that declares a pre-tribulation rapture, so its advocates are compelled to read it into certain indeterminate texts&#8230;&#8221; (Watchman, What of the Night?, p. 79).</p>
<p>     Ralph Earle: &#8220;The teaching of a pre-tribulation rapture seems first to have been emphasized widely about 100 years ago by John Darby of the Plymouth Brethren&#8221; (Behold, I Come, p. 74).</p>
<p>     Clarence B. Bass: &#8220;&#8230;I most strongly believe dispensationalism to be a departure from the historic faith&#8230;&#8221; (Backgrounds to Dispensationalism, p. 155).</p>
<p>     William C. Thomas: &#8220;The return of Jesus Christ, described by parousia, revelation, and epiphany, is one single, glorious, triumphant event for which we all wait with great eagerness!&#8221; (The Blessed Hope in the Thessalonian Epistles of Paul, p. 42).</p>
<p>     Harold J. Ockenga: &#8220;No exegetical justification exists for the arbitrary separation of the &#8216;coming of Christ&#8217; and the &#8216;day of the Lord.&#8217; It is one &#8216;day of the Lord Jesus Christ&#8217; &#8221; (Christian Life, February, 1955).</p>
<p>     Duane Edward Spencer: &#8220;Paul makes it very clear that the Church will pass through the Great Tribulation&#8221; (&#8220;Rapture-Tribulation&#8221; cassette).</p>
<p>     J. C. Maris: &#8220;Nowhere the Bible teaches that the Church of Jesus Christ is heading for world dominion. On the contrary &#8211; there will be no place for her, save in &#8216;the wilderness,&#8217; where God will take care of her (Rev. 12:13-17)&#8221; (I.C.C.C. leaflet &#8220;The Danger of the Ecumenical Movement,&#8221; p. 2).</p>
<p>     F. F. Bruce: &#8220;To meet the Lord [I Thessalonians 4:17]&#8230;on the final stage of&#8230;[Christ's] journey&#8230;to the earth&#8230;&#8221; (New Bible Commentary: Revised, p. 1159).</p>
<p>     G. Christian Weiss: &#8220;Some people say that this ['gospel of the kingdom' in Matthew 24:14] is not the gospel of grace but is a special aspect of the gospel to be preached some time in the future. But there is nothing in the context to indicate this&#8221; (&#8220;Back to the Bible&#8221; broadcast, February 9, 1976).</p>
<p>     Pat Brooks: &#8220;Soon we, in the Body of Christ, will be confronted by millions of people disillusioned by such false teaching [Pre-Tribism]&#8221; (Hear, O Israel, p. 186).</p>
<p>     Herman Hoeksema: &#8220;&#8230;the time of Antichrist, when days so terrible are still to arrive for the church&#8230;&#8221; (Behold, He Cometh!, p. 131).</p>
<p>     Ray Summers: &#8220;Because they [Philadelphia] have been faithful, he promises his sustaining grace in the tribulation&#8230;&#8221; (Worthy Is the Lamb, p. 123).</p>
<p>     George E. Ladd: &#8220;[Pretribulationism] may be guilty of the positive danger of leaving the Church unprepared for tribulation when Antichrist appears&#8230;&#8221; (The Blessed Hope, p. 164).</p>
<p>     Peter Beyerhaus: &#8220;The Christian Church on earth [will face] the final, almost superhuman test of being confronted with the apocalyptical temptation by Antichrist&#8221; (Christianity Today, April 13, 1973).</p>
<p>     Leon Morris: &#8220;The early Christians&#8230;looked for the Christ to come as Judge&#8221; (Apocalyptic, p. 84).</p>
<p>     Dale Moody: &#8220;There is not a passage in the New Testament to support Scofield. The call to John to &#8216;come up hither&#8217; has reference to mystical ecstasy, not to a pretribulation rapture&#8221; (Spirit of the Living God, p. 203).</p>
<p>     John R. W. Stott: &#8220;He would not spare them from the suffering [Revelation 3:10]; but He would uphold them in it&#8221; (What Christ Thinks of the Church, p. 104).</p>
<p>     G. R. Beasley-Murray: &#8220;&#8230;the woman, i.e., the Church&#8230;flees for refuge into the wilderness [Revelation 12:14]&#8230;&#8221; (The New Bible Commentary, p. 1184).</p>
<p>     Bernard L. Ramm: &#8220;&#8230;as the Church moves to meet her Lord at the parousia world history is also moving to meet its Judge at the same parousia&#8221; (Leo Eddleman&#8217;s Last Things, p. 41).</p>
<p>     J. Barton Payne: &#8220;&#8230;the twentieth century has indeed witnessed a progressively rising revolt against pre-tribulationism&#8221; (The Imminent Appearing of Christ, p. 38).</p>
<p>     Robert H. Gundry: &#8220;Divine wrath does not blanket the entire seventieth week&#8230;but concentrates at the close&#8221; (The Church and the Tribulation, p. 63).</p>
<p>     C. S. Lovett: &#8220;Frankly I favor a post-trib rapture&#8230;I no longer teach Christians that they will NOT have to go through the tribulation&#8221; (PC, January, 1974).</p>
<p>     Walter R. Martin: &#8220;Walter Martin finally said&#8230;&#8217;Yes, I&#8217;m a post-trib&#8217; &#8221; (Lovett&#8217;s PC, December, 1976).</p>
<p>     Jay Adams: &#8220;Today&#8217;s trend is&#8230;from pre- to post-tribulationism&#8221; (The Time Is at Hand, p. 2).</p>
<p>     Jim McKeever: &#8220;Nowhere do the Scriptures say that the Rapture will precede the Tribulation&#8221; (Christians Will Go Through the Tribulation, p. 55).</p>
<p>     Arthur Katz: &#8220;I think it fair to tell you that I do not subscribe to the happy and convenient theology which says that God&#8217;s people are going to be raptured and lifted up when a time of tribulation and trial comes&#8221; (Reality, p. 8).</p>
<p>     Billy Graham: &#8220;Perhaps the Holy Spirit is getting His Church ready for a trial and tribulation such as the world has never known&#8221; (Sam Shoemaker&#8217;s Under New Management, p. 72).</p>
<p>     W. J. Grier: &#8220;The Scofield Bible makes a rather desperate effort&#8230;it tries to get in the &#8216;rapture&#8217; of the saints before the appearing of Antichrist&#8221; (The Momentous Event, p. 58).</p>
<p>     Pat Robertson: &#8220;Jesus Christ is going to come back to earth again to deliver Israel and at the same time to rapture His Church; it&#8217;s going to be one moment, but it&#8217;s going to be a glorious time&#8221; (&#8220;700 Club&#8221; telecast, May 14, 1975).</p>
<p>     Ben Kinchlow: &#8220;Any wrath [during the Tribulation] that comes upon us &#8211; any difficulty &#8211; will not be induced by God, but it&#8217;ll be like the people are saying, &#8216;The cause of our problems are those Christians in our midst; we need to get rid of them&#8217; &#8221; (&#8220;700 Club&#8221; telecast, August 28, 1979).</p>
<p>     Daniel P. Fuller: &#8220;It is thus concluded that Dispensationalism fails to pass the test of an adequate system of Biblical Interpretation&#8221; (The Hermeneutics of Dispensationalism, p. 369).</p>
<p>     Corrie ten Boom: &#8220;The Bible prophesies that the time will come when we cannot buy or sell, unless we bear the sign of the Antichrist&#8230;&#8221; (Tramp for the Lord, p. 187).</p>
<p>[Recently ran across the above on the web. I am finding that many are changing from pretrib to something else. Interesting, eh?  Paul]</p>
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